Introducing a new post.
Here we'll talk about the threats in FALCON BMS.
THREAT OF THE DAY
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Nice Picture.....
I can see that this is a SAM site, but what is this weapon?
I can see that this is a SAM site, but what is this weapon?
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We need to make a recce topic as well, so
This is a SA-3, with a LOW BLOW radar.
This is a SA-3, with a LOW BLOW radar.
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Ok, let's go, introducing the :
S-300 (NATO SA-10)
One of the main threat in FALCON BMS.
The SA-10 is a long range air defence system.
This is a rather modern system.
Forget the old threats, like the SA-2, here we are facing an up to date weapon.
The system includes the TIN SHIELD surveillance radar, the FLAP LID fire control system / radar, and some TEL (Transport Erector Launcher). A CLAM SHELL radar can be associated as well, for low altitude detection.
The system uses passive electronically scanned array radar and can conduct multiple engagements on the same Fire-control system (FCS).
Even if this is a strategic air defence system, the SA-10 remains relatively highly mobile. This is a negative point for us, as it gives the enemy the opportunity to change the location of the system, defeating quite easily the use of stand-off GPS guided munition.
THE SA-10 in FALCON BMS :
FLAP LID RADAR : All the different radar systems (FLAP LID / TIN SHIELD / CLAM SHELL) are regrouped inside this unique entity.
TEL : up to four TEL are part of the system, each with 4 tubes.
SELF DEFENSE : AAA and MANPAD are present, represented by ZPU-2 ans SA-7.
SUPPORT : several resupply trucks.
PERFORMANCE :
Min. Range: N/A
Max. Range: 50nm / 90,000ft
Velocity (mach): 6 then 3+
Maneuverability: MED-HIGH
- / +
- passive radar => no indication that missiles had been fired
- multi target => can't plan a decoy
- long range => nearly the same as our AGM-88
- low altitude engagement capabilities => no way to avoid the system flying on the deck is you are detected
- high power radar => makes our ECM useless and CHAFF not very effective
- mobile => need a short reaction time in case of GPS guided weapons / expect no good report from intel
- self-defense systems => DEAD must take that into account
+ one radar for 4 TEL => destroying the FLAP LID will make the TELs useless
+ range : can be fired at long range by AGM-88
VISUALISATION
RWR :
Search or firing state (no discrimination)
HTS :
Search mode : yellow numbers
Firing mode : red square
TACTICS :
The passive radar is difficult to spot, at least with RWR.
You can't expect any LAUNCH warning from your system.
=> Assume that a missile is fired as soon as you see SA-10 on your RWR.
Using HTS pod will give you much more SA on the system location and status.
HTS can give you SA on a firing state of the system.
Avoidance can be done using terrain masking.
Attacking a SA-10 will need SEAD that will fire long range AGM-88 (at high altitude), or that will use terrain masking to reach the AGM-88 firing envelope without being detected.
For DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defense) part of the mission, be aware that system is protected by MANPAD and AAA.
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nb : SEAD / DEAD
SEAD stands for Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses
DEAD stands for Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses
The main difference is that in the first, you manage to limit the capabilities of the air defenses, by destroying the main radar, by scaring the enemy to turn on their radar and so on.
With DEAD, you physically destroy the system, radar and TEL.
So basically, with SEAD you will go with AGM-88 shooting on the radar, with DEAD, you will bomb the ramps.
S-300 (NATO SA-10)
One of the main threat in FALCON BMS.
The SA-10 is a long range air defence system.
This is a rather modern system.
Forget the old threats, like the SA-2, here we are facing an up to date weapon.
The system includes the TIN SHIELD surveillance radar, the FLAP LID fire control system / radar, and some TEL (Transport Erector Launcher). A CLAM SHELL radar can be associated as well, for low altitude detection.
The system uses passive electronically scanned array radar and can conduct multiple engagements on the same Fire-control system (FCS).
Even if this is a strategic air defence system, the SA-10 remains relatively highly mobile. This is a negative point for us, as it gives the enemy the opportunity to change the location of the system, defeating quite easily the use of stand-off GPS guided munition.
THE SA-10 in FALCON BMS :
FLAP LID RADAR : All the different radar systems (FLAP LID / TIN SHIELD / CLAM SHELL) are regrouped inside this unique entity.
TEL : up to four TEL are part of the system, each with 4 tubes.
SELF DEFENSE : AAA and MANPAD are present, represented by ZPU-2 ans SA-7.
SUPPORT : several resupply trucks.
PERFORMANCE :
Min. Range: N/A
Max. Range: 50nm / 90,000ft
Velocity (mach): 6 then 3+
Maneuverability: MED-HIGH
- / +
- passive radar => no indication that missiles had been fired
- multi target => can't plan a decoy
- long range => nearly the same as our AGM-88
- low altitude engagement capabilities => no way to avoid the system flying on the deck is you are detected
- high power radar => makes our ECM useless and CHAFF not very effective
- mobile => need a short reaction time in case of GPS guided weapons / expect no good report from intel
- self-defense systems => DEAD must take that into account
+ one radar for 4 TEL => destroying the FLAP LID will make the TELs useless
+ range : can be fired at long range by AGM-88
VISUALISATION
RWR :
Search or firing state (no discrimination)
HTS :
Search mode : yellow numbers
Firing mode : red square
TACTICS :
The passive radar is difficult to spot, at least with RWR.
You can't expect any LAUNCH warning from your system.
=> Assume that a missile is fired as soon as you see SA-10 on your RWR.
Using HTS pod will give you much more SA on the system location and status.
HTS can give you SA on a firing state of the system.
Avoidance can be done using terrain masking.
Attacking a SA-10 will need SEAD that will fire long range AGM-88 (at high altitude), or that will use terrain masking to reach the AGM-88 firing envelope without being detected.
For DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defense) part of the mission, be aware that system is protected by MANPAD and AAA.
****************************************************************************************
nb : SEAD / DEAD
SEAD stands for Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses
DEAD stands for Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses
The main difference is that in the first, you manage to limit the capabilities of the air defenses, by destroying the main radar, by scaring the enemy to turn on their radar and so on.
With DEAD, you physically destroy the system, radar and TEL.
So basically, with SEAD you will go with AGM-88 shooting on the radar, with DEAD, you will bomb the ramps.
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Miki, great thread. Looking forward to further instructional posts.
For this, what's the best defensive counter measure? http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Securi ... 450809336/
Wondering what the RWR tone will be? a loud "Zap"
thanks again for the BMS info buddy!
-Jav
For this, what's the best defensive counter measure? http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Securi ... 450809336/
Wondering what the RWR tone will be? a loud "Zap"
thanks again for the BMS info buddy!
-Jav
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Jav,
The counter to laser is a classic combination of playing 1970s "Staying Alive" and this Star Wars like device:
The counter to laser is a classic combination of playing 1970s "Staying Alive" and this Star Wars like device:
"Train as you fight, fight as you train"