Shadepiece wrote:
The edition of these parts and hopefully more is why I think AP isn't nearly as effective as it ought to be. These modules not being modelled is the difference between a bullet passing through a husk of an aircraft when it should instead be hitting vital components inside the aircraft which up until now haven't been modelled.
This is why I feel the AP doesn't do enough damage. I understand why the damage decals aren't produced, and I obviously don't think the holes appear in the exact place that they actually hit. However, clearly there are parts that have been missing. So yes there might be many things that are modelled, but it doesn't help you if bullets are passing through parts that should be but aren't modelled.
This is something I take great interest in because it seems like the Spit can take an incredible beating by the MGs without suffering as much as it should be. Something that doesn't seem to be the same for Hurricanes, which as I understand were fully modelled.
Also, in regards to cannon ammo, I have hit Hurricanes and Spits alike with many shells, and yet they're wings usually stay attached to the aircraft. I think that seems reasonable, and I am not suggesting they are underpowered, but if you happen to hit another 109 with just two or three of the shells the wing will cave off like it was a twig snapping.
My Staffel knows this all too well as we normally go into a dogfight server before campaign to warm up, and we are CONSTANTLY dewinging each other. However, it seems far more rare that it happens against RAF birds.
Since I don't think that the cannons are underpowered, and that they shouldn't be blowing the wings off of everything all the time, I do think that the 109's wing is unreasonably less durable. I understand that the Hispanos were better, but as it is now a Spit pilot with those new shiny Hispanos and good aim could take off the wings of ten 109s in one sortie, and that just doesn't seem correct. I don't think wingless 109s should be falling out of the sky left right and center. Which is definitely what my Staffel sees in those dogfight servers...
The missing hit boxes on thouse parts they plan to add will add more objects to hit with AP bullets thats true, but you were talking like its only German AP ammo problem, this mising parts effects also British side when they shoot on 109s, and this will be minimal change, as in game now you could on both side damage planty internals to disable airplane Spit Hurri or 109s with only AP, even if you would not see outside damage on skin of airplane.
Regarding braking wings, that happends more offten on 109s from 20mm, i see that also in situations you describe, and i agree with you that there could be something wrong there, but like i said before TFS said they are revising all DM for all airplanes for TF4.5 so maybe they are fixing this now, as this is not ammo problem its airplanes DM problem.
Here is vanila DM of 109s, you see its mutch less durable parts compared to Spits DM from previous post, and more parts detach when fully destroyed or specific part is hit by cannon.
DMs look like OG devs were made them balanced to taking acount what bullets will enemy have to hit them, 109 will be hit by small bullets so make it less strong and Spit by big so make it more strong, thi is how it looks to me when compare both, thats why 109 dont like 20mm :
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And what is Onebed saying about structural damage is true, BoX games have it and it looks more natural there, CloD dosent have it as it was based on old 1946 game, just upgraded with more parts and more detail in parts types and options.
Its easy for TFS to say they have best DM model of any existing games when Lobo was pointing thouse stuff out before they baned him, when they dont play other games and dont know what other games have better
Just look how they are now suprised that people would think that Beaufighters outside 3D model looks dated, with blocky look of round stuff, if you play only this game and not newer games you dont know where things are advancing, so you dont se that. I for one dont care if they have to make round stuff to look more blocky to save on FPS and poly count as im used to play in 1946 where that was normal, but new players will se that imidiatly and belive its older game, as its easyest to critiq on look of games.